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Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 09:03 AM
Talk is lurking the mess out of today:

1590

Can't be bots because threads right below it only have two hundred views.

Perhaps it's vanity? They don't read the rest of the forum -- only what applies to them.

Bill Robertson
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tom kish vin.4357
04-02-2014, 09:45 AM
As a member of both forums I can speak on this. Think of Talk as going to church in your sunday formal on, think of Today like getting together with some far flung friends to talk Delorean, and shoot the shit.

Dead Lesbian Goat
04-02-2014, 09:55 AM
As a member of both forums I can speak on this. Think of Talk as going to church in your sunday formal on, think of Today like getting together with some far flung friends to talk Delorean, and shoot the shit.

I remember a time when talk was like that.

Boo
04-02-2014, 12:04 PM
If surfing a forum means a person is a lurker, why doesn't the home pages list these people as "Lurkers" instead of "Guests"? I was using Guest status for years before becoming a member on both sites. Why is there a negative connotation associated with "Guesting"? What is the difference between "Lurkers" and "Guests"?
Is the status of "Guest" on the two sites' home pages just to look cordial? Louis plainly admits he surfs the talk site for needed info, does he qualify as a "Guest" or a "Lurker"?
Just something to think about. I've been accused of lurking by some douches on Talk, but the website said it considered me a "Guest".

Boo
04-02-2014, 12:08 PM
As a member of both forums I can speak on this. Think of Talk as going to church in your sunday formal on, think of Today like getting together with some far flung friends to talk Delorean, and shoot the shit.

Tom, I am now a member of both forums, I feel that Today is more respectful of its members whereas Talk members are selectively at at each other's throats constantly, and gang up on carb users to no end. It's like the unholy church of purity there, whereas here anyone is appreciated and respected, even Louis. Not that he ever did anything wrong on either site IMHO. Please feel free to "correct" me with your opinions.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 12:09 PM
WalMart considers you a "guest" too. So does IHOP.

I guess it boils down to intent. Guests just look to gather helpful information. Lurkers skulk like jilted ex boyfriends to see what others are saying about them now.

Bill Robertson
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Boo
04-02-2014, 12:33 PM
WalMart considers you a "guest" too. So does IHOP.

I guess it boils down to intent. Guests just look to gather helpful information. Lurkers skulk like jilted ex boyfriends to see what others are saying about them now.

Bill Robertson
#5939
I've never been to a hotel and be considered as a lurker, I guess security would be called if that was the case. They have always called me a "Guest" of the hotel, yet still made me pay for room and board.
What if someone is doing both? Does that make them a "Guest Lurker"? Possibly some Talk members are acting as guests here, trying to get info. Saying that just to be fair.
I guess it would depend on what thread they are looking at. Remember, what's good for Talk members isn't good for Today members, or members of both.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 12:36 PM
Perhaps they are lurking guests, like the creepy uncle who steals your mom's underwear from the hamper while he's visiting for Thanksgiving dinner.

Bill Robertson
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Boo
04-02-2014, 12:41 PM
Bill, that's nasty.
Speaking of nasty, look what ass-ipiter just posted on Talk.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?8843-WANTED-Back-to-the-Future-II-DeLorean-Time-Machine-Kid-s-Ride-On-Battery-Toy&p=138434#post138434

I guess I'm lurking, but trying to voice justice there. Hence my signature quote.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 12:51 PM
Don't look at me -- I'm registered. Any underwear I steal is done openly in broad daylight.

Sticks & stones at this point. Steve has created a very nice forum where people can freely share information and ideas without ridicule. For example, even though Matt's EFI sucks, I would never say so publicly.

Bill Robertson
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Boo
04-02-2014, 12:56 PM
That's why I call Today "The land of misfit carberators".
Talk truly seems to be "The land of the jackasses".

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 12:59 PM
That's why I call Today "The land of misfit carberators".

Paging Josh (who probably still has factory original fuel in his K-Jet)....

Just call it the Island of Misfit Toys (one of which was a car with square wheels if you recall).

Bill Robertson
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NightFlyer
04-02-2014, 01:23 PM
As a member of both forums I can speak on this. Think of Talk as going to church in your sunday formal on, think of Today like getting together with some far flung friends to talk Delorean, and shoot the shit.

You forgot the part about making fun of my car ;)

Boglin
04-02-2014, 01:44 PM
Don't look at me -- I'm registered. Any underwear I steal is done openly in broad daylight.

Sticks & stones at this point. Steve has created a very nice forum where people can freely share information and ideas without ridicule. For example, even though Matt's EFI sucks, I would never say so publicly.

Bill Robertson
#5939

You can say it sucks all you want. If you dont get your 3.0L running soon, im going to tell Chris Burns that he needs to come show you the ropes on D repair.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 01:51 PM
Go ahead and place the call. I now have a garage in which to hide quite a few projects for later.

Bill Robertson
#5939

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 01:51 PM
You forgot the part about making fun of my car ;)

We're all just insanely jealous of the factory original air in your tires.

Bill Robertson
#5939

Boglin
04-02-2014, 01:55 PM
What is factory air like, anyway? Does it smell like Irish Spring?

stevedmc
04-02-2014, 02:11 PM
Don't look at me -- I'm registered. Any underwear I steal is done openly in broad daylight.

Sticks & stones at this point. Steve has created a very nice forum where people can freely share information and ideas without ridicule. For example, even though Matt's EFI sucks, I would never say so publicly.

Bill Robertson
#5939

Bill sucks, but not as much as Ron.

NightFlyer
04-02-2014, 02:30 PM
Paging Josh (who probably still has factory original fuel in his K-Jet)....

Just call it the Island of Misfit Toys (one of which was a car with square wheels if you recall).

Bill Robertson
#5939

I could only be so lucky - everyone knows that Dunmurry fuel is magical/mystical (that's because the IRA added a little extra kick to it) :)

Boo
04-02-2014, 02:35 PM
What is factory air like, anyway? Does it smell like Irish Spring?

Or Irish coffee?

NightFlyer
04-02-2014, 03:45 PM
What is factory air like, anyway? Does it smell like Irish Spring?

It smells like Richard Harris just prior to his death (don't ask) :)

sedated
04-02-2014, 08:23 PM
That underwear thief comment was extremely specific. I think Bill's been spending his day watching movies again...

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 08:31 PM
People who make wild accusations should be the first to test drive Wasteland and Blue. Do you have a female SO to give a verdict from the other side of the aisle?

Bill Robertson
#5939

NightFlyer
04-02-2014, 09:12 PM
People who make wild accusations should be the first to test drive Wasteland and Blue. Do you have a female SO to give a verdict from the other side of the aisle?

Bill Robertson
#5939

We still don't have any takers on this challenge yet?

Come on people - I need me my validation and redemption :)

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 09:45 PM
If your redemption depends upon that movie then you've got a lot bigger problems than just being a lawyer.

Bill Robertson
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Duplicate Account
04-02-2014, 09:49 PM
There are no problems bigger or damnation deeper than that hot venomous calamity that flows from a framed JD degree into one's soul.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-02-2014, 10:09 PM
Can't Aphrodite do something about that?

Doesn't seem like a particularly useful deity if you ask me.

Bill Robertson
#5939

tom kish vin.4357
04-02-2014, 11:10 PM
You forgot the part about making fun of my car ;)

Who makes fun of your car? --------Not me i have one real close to it except mine has new tires on it, and mine has new hoses on it, and mine has new belts on it and my AC WORKS mmmm maybe there is a few things !!

Boglin
04-03-2014, 08:16 AM
Who makes fun of your car? --------Not me i have one real close to it except mine has new tires on it, and mine has new hoses on it, and mine has new belts on it and my AC WORKS mmmm maybe there is a few things !!

LOL That Tom Kish is funny. Who here knows Tom Kish IRL?

Duplicate Account
04-03-2014, 09:54 AM
Can't Aphrodite do something about that?

Doesn't seem like a particularly useful deity if you ask me.

Bill Robertson
#5939

No, but still 1:1 with other dieties in preventing Cancer, AIDS and violent crimes that happen to good people. What makes us superior, if anything, is that we have "Fat Bottom Girls" in our hymn book.

tom kish vin.4357
04-03-2014, 10:39 AM
LOL That Tom Kish is funny. Who here knows Tom Kish IRL?

Son, in Real life my name is Tom Kish and i live in Elkhart Indiana and unlike certain (candy ass) people .

NightFlyer
04-03-2014, 03:59 PM
No, but still 1:1 with other dieties in preventing Cancer, AIDS and violent crimes that happen to good people. What makes us superior, if anything, is that we have "Fat Bottom Girls" in our hymn book.

I thought your deity was Jeff Lynne - or is he merely the prophet of your deity?

NightFlyer
04-03-2014, 04:04 PM
Son, in Real life my name is Tom Kish and i live in Elkhart Indiana and unlike certain (candy ass) people .

Tom Kish is my homey! He's going to tow my DeLorean with his DeLorean to DCS after my DeLorean breaks down en route :)

Boo
04-03-2014, 07:08 PM
Tom Kish is my homey! He's going to tow my DeLorean with his DeLorean to DCS after my DeLorean breaks down en route :)

Josh, seems like you are predicting a breakdown yourself. Have faith, if Boo can make a round trip to New Jersey with absolutely no tools on board, and makes round trips from south shore to north shore Long Island every weekend, I'm sure you will be just fine!

tom kish vin.4357
04-03-2014, 07:19 PM
josh, seems like you are predicting a breakdown yourself. Have faith, if boo can make a round trip to new jersey with absolutely no tools on board, and makes round trips from south shore to north shore long island every weekend, i'm sure you will be just fine!
yea me 2!!

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-03-2014, 08:21 PM
Josh, seems like you are predicting a breakdown yourself. Have faith, if Boo can make a round trip to New Jersey with absolutely no tools on board, and makes round trips from south shore to north shore Long Island every weekend, I'm sure you will be just fine!

Josh is K-Jet -- doesn't count.

Bill Robertson
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NightFlyer
04-03-2014, 08:45 PM
Unless Steve decides to drive his car, I'll have him with me, so he can always push while I steer :)

Boo
04-03-2014, 08:47 PM
Unless Steve decides to drive his car, I'll have him with me, so he can always push while I steer :)

Stop jinxing yourself man!

Dead Lesbian Goat
04-04-2014, 12:47 PM
Talk is lurking the mess out of today:

1590

Can't be bots because threads right below it only have two hundred views.

Perhaps it's vanity? They don't read the rest of the forum -- only what applies to them.

Bill Robertson
#5939
Talk members lurking here remind me of little kids looking through an amusement park fence but too afraid to go on the rides:
1594

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-04-2014, 01:07 PM
Either that, or we just smell bad and they don't want to sit next to us.

Talk about Talk thread is up to 4,022 views now -- not far from becoming one of the most viewed threads on this form (it'll never catch Farrar's car blog). It overwhelming eclipses views in the How To and Resources sections -- obviously Talk lurkers don't care what we're doing or how we do it. They just seem concerned about what we're saying about them.

Bill Robertson
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Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-04-2014, 01:09 PM
Alternative to the DMC Coolant Bottle thread has 4,245 views -- apparently they have a vested interest in coolant expansion tanks.

Bill Robertson
#5939

tom kish vin.4357
04-04-2014, 02:04 PM
Alternative to the DMC Coolant Bottle thread has 4,245 views -- apparently they have a vested interest in coolant expansion tanks.

Bill Robertson
#5939
Or waiting for word that Josh's plastic bottle gave it up

NightFlyer
04-04-2014, 03:15 PM
Or waiting for word that Josh's plastic bottle gave it up

Never fear - Josh has a backup used stock/OEM plastic bottle on a shelf in his garage for precisely such a situation - and as I have a backup, Murphy's Law dictates that I'll never need to use it :)

stevedmc
04-04-2014, 05:58 PM
I just thought of something. Perhaps Ron and Professor Roy are the same person.

Boo
04-04-2014, 06:03 PM
Nope, Roy was having a go at Ron for being nosey as to why Roy is on talk doing his thing. I know Roy and he's not Ron or Bill.

stevedmc
04-04-2014, 06:05 PM
Hmm. I wonder what is going on. I went over to Talk to do some lurking and noticed that Mike changed his screen name to RETIRED.

Boo
04-04-2014, 06:09 PM
I think Roy called him out on being a hypocritical mod too.
Maybe that had something to do with that. Or maybe he retired from his actual job, can't wait till I can. Another 18 school years to go!

stevedmc
04-04-2014, 06:10 PM
Nice

Boo
04-04-2014, 06:27 PM
Nice

Yeah, but I'll be 60 by then.
What would be nice is being in New Orleans near you Steve. Back in my home state.
But I do have extraordinary friends here Tom Neiland and Dave Delman! Awesomeness!, North Shore, Long Island!

Ron
04-04-2014, 11:21 PM
Nope, Roy was having a go at Ron for being nosey as to why Roy is on talk doing his thing. I know Roy and he's not Ron or Bill.I didn't ask him why he was on Talk doing his thing. He kept referring to whatever it is and someone asked, but he didn't answer... Hell, I thought he wanted a set-up and said I would bite to help him out. I think you and he both jumped to conclusions, without any personal history, thank you.

P.S. It's spelled "nosy".
P.P.S. STEVE SUCKS.

NightFlyer
04-04-2014, 11:28 PM
I didn't ask him why he was on Talk doing his thing. He kept referring to whatever it is and someone asked, but he didn't answer... Hell, I thought he wanted a set-up and said I would bite to help him out. I think you and he both jumped to conclusions, without any personal history, thank you.

P.S. It's spelled "nosy".
P.P.S. STEVE SUCKS.

Nobody sucks as bad as me though :)

Ron
04-04-2014, 11:38 PM
Nobody sucks as bad as me though :)I resemble that remark!

stevedmc
04-05-2014, 08:43 AM
French toast

Boo
04-05-2014, 11:45 AM
It's all French toast isn't it? Really?
Roy is being threatened on talk as others are getting away with calling us assholes.
Typical behavior there.
Oh well, bunch of hypocrites as anyone can plainly see.

Dead Lesbian Goat
04-05-2014, 01:16 PM
I just noticed 2 more threads that all the Talk members are screaming about have been closed. In one thread, talk members constantly chimed in to say they don't want to chime in. They voiced that they didn't care about the content of the thread, but they clicked on it, they read it, and they responded to it. They said "Jesus, nobody other than you assholes gives a shit about this nonsense." Yet that thread is just a month old and has nearly 4,000 views. Apparently some do like to read it, even if they don't care enough to log in and post a reply stating they don't care.

Closed threads...Just another example of the content and the subjects being moderated. The thing about the free market is it works every single time it's tried. How many more subjects will one or two people deem to be taboo in the future? I used to love Talk when you could have a discussion or even a rant about anything that interested you...and if others were interested in the same thing, (no matter how insignificant) they too could discuss or even debate(OH NO!!!). If nobody was interested, the thread would get few views, no responses and die. I'm all about moderation to keep porn, personal attacks and trolls like RoyHinkley at bay. Moderation steps over the line when a few try to dictate what is and what is not of interest based on their own principles. Once that happens we get dull, boring content that nobody reads...they very thing they were trying to keep from happening.

The new Talk flowchart is to click on something you don't like, read it, and instead of forgetting about it, you complain, and continue to keep reading the content you don't like, even respond to say you don't care, and keep complaining until the content is removed by mods that are tired of hearing about it.

Believe it or not, but people have interests other than DeLoreans, and it's nice to have a place to FREELY discuss with fellow owners and enthusiasts who may (or may not) share those interests.....and not have to worry about threads that are not of the utmost purity get closed, deleted, and those subjects forever banned by the "Dear Leaders" from even being discussed. This thread right here, right now was started 2 days ago and has almost 600 views. Don't tell me you don't care what is discussed here.

....even if it is forbidden to speak of such things on Talk.

Boglin
04-05-2014, 01:51 PM
I have to say I've been ordering a lot more french toast since I joined here. Man, french toast with maple syrup & whip cream & fresh berries is awesome. Similarly, french toast w/ maple syrup, banana slices & nutella is equally divine.

NightFlyer
04-05-2014, 02:05 PM
Great summation Michael - spot on!

It's amazing how some believe that they're being forced by others to view and respond to threads that they're supposedly not interested in, isn't it? Then again, maybe it makes sense in the liberalization/socialization of America - loss of free will (or at least the perception of such).

NightFlyer
04-05-2014, 02:59 PM
Hmm... I just saw that I was called an asshole by a Talk moderator, but the thread was locked shortly after, thus I wasn't able to respond to the unprovoked name calling.

In a related story, a Talk member sent me a nice PM calling me a "Fox News apologist." Let's just say that it was one of those members whom Michael was referencing above.

Liberals enact restrictive rules, don't evenly enforce those rules, whine, complain, and eventually ban - it's what they do.

Duplicate Account
04-05-2014, 03:21 PM
Hmm... I just saw that I was called an asshole by a Talk moderator, but the thread was locked shortly after, thus I wasn't able to respond to the unprovoked name calling.

In a related story, a Talk member sent me a nice PM calling me a "Fox News apologist." Let's just say that it was one of those members whom Michael was referencing above.

Liberals enact restrictive rules, don't evenly enforce those rules, whine, complain, and eventually ban - it's what they do.

It's annoying when both sides do it. There's a problem with finding something consistent with your world view then arguing backwards, and shunning everyone who disagrees. Example from the right on FB: "Chicago issues CCWs... now crime at record lows last 3 months!!!!!" Hello, it was cold as day old artic blasted French Toast in Chicago in the last 3 months. Crime tends to go down in negative temperatures. In DC, when the weather gets nice, society's miscreants hit the streets and cause trouble, and we get 140 plus more people to arraign. In other words, you found a conclusion that you like and supports your world view, and you ignored the truth in order to support it.

The annoying trend from the left is to praise a product or service that is consistent with your world view (recently, gay rights) OR a boycott of a product for the same reason. Espey did this today on FB. It must people feel good to be so righteous. I am sure that I deserve to be pilloried for eating a Chick Fillet sammich because its not sanctioned to the cool kids in the liberal crowd.

Boo
04-05-2014, 03:24 PM
I just noticed 2 more threads that all the Talk members are screaming about have been closed. In one thread, talk members constantly chimed in to say they don't want to chime in. They voiced that they didn't care about the content of the thread, but they clicked on it, they read it, and they responded to it. They said "Jesus, nobody other than you assholes gives a shit about this nonsense." Yet that thread is just a month old and has nearly 4,000 views. Apparently some do like to read it, even if they don't care enough to log in and post a reply stating they don't care.

Closed threads...Just another example of the content and the subjects being moderated. The thing about the free market is it works every single time it's tried. How many more subjects will one or two people deem to be taboo in the future? I used to love Talk when you could have a discussion or even a rant about anything that interested you...and if others were interested in the same thing, (no matter how insignificant) they too could discuss or even debate(OH NO!!!). If nobody was interested, the thread would get few views, no responses and die. I'm all about moderation to keep porn, personal attacks and trolls like RoyHinkley at bay. Moderation steps over the line when a few try to dictate what is and what is not of interest based on their own principles. Once that happens we get dull, boring content that nobody reads...they very thing they were trying to keep from happening.

The new Talk flowchart is to click on something you don't like, read it, and instead of forgetting about it, you complain, and continue to keep reading the content you don't like, even respond to say you don't care, and keep complaining until the content is removed by mods that are tired of hearing about it.

Believe it or not, but people have interests other than DeLoreans, and it's nice to have a place to FREELY discuss with fellow owners and enthusiasts who may (or may not) share those interests.....and not have to worry about threads that are not of the utmost purity get closed, deleted, and those subjects forever banned by the "Dear Leaders" from even being discussed. This thread right here, right now was started 2 days ago and has almost 600 views. Don't tell me you don't care what is discussed here.

....even if it is forbidden to speak of such things on Talk.


Michael, this post personally attacks me. I am trying to stick up for the members of this forum, and this is how I'm treated? Have I ever bashed anyone of you on this site? Absolutely not. Talk is full of jerks, and although I don't need to point that out, I have been trying to bring attention to the unfair moderation there.
If you ban me from this site, not only are you breaking the rules Steve set up, but you should go back to talk and be a moderator there.
Speaking against personal attacks while personally attacking me is hypocrisy, and that's what talk is all about.
You owe me an apology Michael. Plain and simple.

P.s. I completely agree with Josh about the liberal agenda.

stevedmc
04-05-2014, 03:31 PM
Yeah. I've got no clue who Professor Roy is but I don't think he is a troll. Of course though, I have been accused of being a troll so perhaps me and Professor Roy share the same agenda. Beats me.

tom kish vin.4357
04-05-2014, 03:39 PM
[QUOTE=NightFlyer;9883]Hmm... I just saw that I was called an asshole by a Talk moderator, but the thread was locked shortly after, thus I wasn't able to respond to the unprovoked name calling.
So if you had a chance to respond what would you have said?

Boo
04-05-2014, 03:41 PM
Michael, this post personally attacks me. I am trying to stick up for the members of this forum, and this is how I'm treated? Have I ever bashed anyone of you on this site? Absolutely not. Talk is full of jerks, and although I don't need to point that out, I have been trying to bring attention to the unfair moderation there.
If you ban me from this site, not only are you breaking the rules Steve set up, but you should go back to talk and be a moderator there.
Speaking against personal attacks while personally attacking me is hypocrisy, and that's what talk is all about.
You owe me an apology Michael. Plain and simple.

P.s. I completely agree with Josh about the liberal agenda.

I have to agree with Roy here, he is trying to stand up for us on the Talk site, and Michael is bashing him unfairly. (like a Talk moderator would do)
I agree that he should be a moderator over on Talk, not here.
Michael sucks !

NightFlyer
04-05-2014, 04:51 PM
@Sam - yes, both sides (as traditionally defined) do engage in similar acts of hypocrisy and stupidity. And believe you me, I don't like it when the traditional right does so either - I call them out just I call the left out. But the traditional right doesn't fully adhere to pure constitutional/libertarian/conservative principles - as instead, they allow those core principles to be compromised in order to court strong evangelical/religious individuals, as well as having adopted centrist positions in order to court moderate individuals. True 'conservatives' don't want to ban anything other than that which directly interferes with others ability to live as they chose, such as murder and the like. I'm not a Republican - I'm a conservative/tea party/constitutionalist/libertarian, or in other words, what the left hates even more than a republican ;)

As to 'trolling' -

What constitutes a troll?

Was Earl Hickey a troll? I honestly don't believe so. I was also legitimately interested in his old school 'hot rod' performance mods, not to mention supported his challenging and calling out the value of the current vendor supported performance upgrades such as the Stage (DMCH & Affiliates) and Spec (DPI) packages, which so far really haven't been supported/proven/justified in the way that traditional performance mods typically are in the automotive hobby/world (over a year ago, DPI Josh mentioned that he was going to start uniformly dyno testing all the different performance mods and the popular combination of mods and post the results online against baseline stock/OEM numbers, but that never materialized beyond a few stock/OEM tests that may not have been uniformly conducted).

Is Roy Hinkley a troll? I honestly don't believe so, however, he also hasn't made very many DeLorean related posts - which I'd like to see vs his preoccupation with the acts of other members of the Talk forum. We're all big boys both here and there - while I understand that the Professor wants to try to shed light upon or correct perceived injustices that occur on the forums, it's really not his place to do so, nor is it necessary. Everyone is fully capable of standing up for themselves or deciding how to rectify their own situations that they may find themselves in. To think and then act under the belief that others need protection that they haven't asked for is a very liberal position to be adopting. If the Professor agrees with me about the dynamics of the liberal mindset, then surely he should also realize this. Then again, maybe his intent is to just get under the skin of the Talk admins/mods, but if that's the case (as opposed to a liberal mindset self-assigned and self-proclaimed defender of others), then that would make him a troll, at least over on Talk anyway.

@Professor Roy Hinkley - While I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, I don't necessarily agree with it, as it's a liberalist thing to do, and it's not necessary. Have fun and enjoy the forums for for what they are - we don't need a 'superman' to watch over us :)

@Tom Kish - I don't mind being called an asshole - after all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm also not going to sink to the level of others and start name-calling in retaliation for the sake of retribution - homey don't play that game! I just don't like it when the hit-and-run victimization of myself is used to engage in acts of hypocrisy / double-standards. I posted a rebuttal thread over on Talk signifying such. Hopefully they won't ban me for doing so, but it's their forum and their choice. I'll always have a home here :)

Dead Lesbian Goat
04-05-2014, 05:03 PM
Michael, this post personally attacks me. I am trying to stick up for the members of this forum, and this is how I'm treated? Have I ever bashed anyone of you on this site? Absolutely not. Talk is full of jerks, and although I don't need to point that out, I have been trying to bring attention to the unfair moderation there.
If you ban me from this site, not only are you breaking the rules Steve set up, but you should go back to talk and be a moderator there.
Speaking against personal attacks while personally attacking me is hypocrisy, and that's what talk is all about.
You owe me an apology Michael. Plain and simple.

P.s. I completely agree with Josh about the liberal agenda.

Who said anything about a ban? Where did you read that I was going to ban you? As I stated in another thread regarding this...I am in no position to ban ANYONE! I will not do it unless you are a spambot...Are you a spambot? Are you sure? Maybe you are and just don't know it.

What you are doing over at Talk IMO is trolling. You are now disrupting legitimate threads, and whether you agree with it or not and whether it's right or not, you are seen as a representative of Today. You are certainly NOT portraying Today in a flattering light. I would suggest that you drop this "crusade" to defend Today's members.

Boo
04-05-2014, 06:11 PM
Josh, I believe "Batman" was what I alluded to (the more suitable term-a person sticking up for victims of injustice, even going against the "law" (of Talk) to do so)
I will stop if that's what all you guys want. I was trying to do us a favor here by pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of Talk moderation. I will soon be thrown off there anyway, but I have posted some info congratulating owners and responding to questions. I agree most of my time is spent punching the hypocrites in the face. Because of the fact that accipiter seems to be untouchable there and can do whatever he likes without fear of reprisal, I truly think his signature should read "Chris, sucking Talk moderators dicks since 1981)"
That is obviously the truth. His statement about "and definitely carberate it" on the back to the future toy car thread went unnoticed by moderators or anyone else, except me. calling both you and I an asshole is not allowed there but has been tolerated, even justified by the Talk moderators. It was clearly another stab that the Talk group sees fitting and acceptable, however my "calling out" of him and others has been called trolling. I will leave and you all will never hear from me again, but you all just may appreciate what I've done in your hindsight. If you all want me to stop or leave or both, PM me and I will honestly consider it. Honest is all I have been, and I never thought I'd get crap on this forum for it. Truth is, I can be on whatever site I want to be on, this is America, at least for now. I'm not going along with any liberal agenda, just being honest and up front with people, as (most) conservatives are. Even Michael (who I have partial respect for) says I am trolling on Talk, but I honestly don't think anyone can say I'm trolling here, in fact, just the opposite.
Respectfully,
Roy

stevedmc
04-05-2014, 06:57 PM
I miss Earl Hickey.

tom kish vin.4357
04-05-2014, 07:44 PM
we don't need a 'superman' to watch over us :)

@Tom Kish - I don't mind being called an asshole - after all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm also not going to sink to the level of others and start name-calling in retaliation for the sake of retribution - homey don't play that game! I just don't like it when the hit-and-run victimization of myself is used to engage in acts of hypocrisy / double-standards. I posted a rebuttal thread over on Talk signifying such. Hopefully they won't ban me for doing so, but it's their forum and their choice. I'll always have a home here :)
Josh your missing the point, this is past just you now. Accipiter and TALK must be called out on this, if they don't do anything about this the people will see that members there can be insulted and not held to TALK standards, or that TALK standards are low.

Boo
04-05-2014, 08:20 PM
Josh your missing the point, this is past just you now. Accipiter and TALK must be called out on this, if they don't do anything about this the people will see that members there can be insulted and not held to TALK standards, or that TALK standards are low.

Thank you Tom Kish, I used to respect Josh, but he personally insulted me by comparing me to a liberal. Things can never be the same now.

Boo
04-05-2014, 08:21 PM
I did get one PM today from someone who apparently appreciates what I'm doing. I will keep this member anonymous, but no, it's not Bill.

Ron
04-05-2014, 10:36 PM
Was Earl Hickey a troll? I honestly don't believe so. I was also legitimately interested in his old school 'hot rod' performance mods, not to mention supported his challenging and calling out the value of the current vendor supported performance upgrades such as the Stage (DMCH & Affiliates) and Spec (DPI) packages, which so far really haven't been supported/proven/justified in the way that traditional performance mods typically are in the automotive hobby/world (over a year ago, DPI Josh mentioned that he was going to start uniformly dyno testing all the different performance mods and the popular combination of mods and post the results online against baseline stock/OEM numbers, but that never materialized beyond a few stock/OEM tests that may not have been uniformly conducted). Earl Hickey was not a troll -- He was treated like shit in the "carb thread". He was what he presented, a very knowledgeable gear-head. IIRC, he raced in TN.



Is Roy Hinkley a troll?
By definition.
But Ronnie loves him almost as much as french toast anyway.:rolleyes:

Boo
04-05-2014, 10:38 PM
If Roy is a troll does that mean he is under 4 feet tall, grumpy,and lives under a bridge?
There's my silly literal humor again!
Watching too much Dora the Explorer with my 3 year old daughter I guess.

Boglin
04-05-2014, 11:09 PM
Accipiter iirc is 5'0". Like we say on the pony farm, "The smaller the horse, the bigger the attitude!"

Boo
04-06-2014, 08:42 AM
Accipiter iirc is 5'0". Like we say on the pony farm, "The smaller the horse, the bigger the attitude!"

Yeah, I had a "friend" Mark like that for years before we went our separate ways. Short in stature but BIG on douchbaggedness. Glad we don't hang out anymore. He was a prick and was rude to my wife. Had to be the big shot "know it all" and tried to make it out to seem like everyone was privileged to be standing next to him.

I also had a short friend in high school named Chris, he was a nasty little guy, but man was he a pissa!

stevedmc
04-06-2014, 04:31 PM
Accipiter iirc is 5'0". Like we say on the pony farm, "The smaller the horse, the bigger the attitude!"

I've never understood people like this. I have a tiny horse and admit it. You don't see me running all over the place trying to prove something.

Boo
04-06-2014, 05:00 PM
I've never understood people like this. I have a tiny horse and admit it. You don't see me running all over the place trying to prove something.

Other than the fact that baths are better with noodle soup to eat !
LOL

Boo
04-06-2014, 08:52 PM
Roy was trying to prove something on Talk, and now that he's not anymore, even one mess up by bumping a good persons care for sale ad and SoundKillr is all over him again. Roy even apologized and then soundkillr said "I took it easy on you Roy" what the hell is that?!? Roy has even been trying to be nice to accipiter. Pretty obvious Roy was right all along. Sucks there, real bad. Most are afraid to post because the mods and other members will jump at them, while letting others break rules right and left. I'm so glad I don't post there anymore. As I've said in the past "I used to talk on Talk, but today I'm on Today." And thankfully so. Let them lurk here, maybe they'll learn something.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-06-2014, 09:32 PM
I keep telling you guys: just walk away. Don't even look back. Like a bad marriage to an abusive spouse, it's never going to get better.

There is something creepy about Talk members stalking those of us who have left. It's the online equivalent of parking down the street to see who comes & goes from our house, whether the lights are on, etc. We have already left, but they just can't seem to let us go.

Talk about Talk thread is now a mere 87 views behind the plastic coolant tank thread -- perhaps somebody with posting privileges should say something controversial to put it ahead. Could well become the second most viewed thread on the forum (it'll never catch Farrar's car blog).

A tad narcissistic that Talkers' biggest concern is what we think about them, eh?

Bill Robertson
#5939

Boo
04-06-2014, 09:44 PM
A tad narcissistic that Talkers' biggest concern is what we think about them, eh?

Bill Robertson
#5939

I wholeheartedly agree Bill. Amen!

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-06-2014, 09:52 PM
They obviously don't care about what we're doing to our cars, because those threads only have a couple hundred views at most (some are less than 100).

Thread views verify that their biggest concern is how they look in our eyes.

It isn't about us at all -- it's all about them.

Bill Robertson
#5939

Boo
04-06-2014, 10:00 PM
It isn't about us at all -- it's all about them.

Bill Robertson
#5939
Oh how true that is Bill. And Roy has been being harped on by SoundKillr there, because of posting something nice about Tom Neiland no less. What asses they are there. I'm sure Tom was rolling his eyes when he saw SoundKillr jump on Roy. Realistic, good people are not what Talk is about obviously. I know I'll never log in there again. I won't give them the satisfaction. Too bad Roy has "given up" his advocacy stance.
And more and more people think Roy is you, what idiots! I know Roy personally and I can vouch that he's not you. But I won't log on that site and they wouldn't believe me anyway. They have their agenda, we know that.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-06-2014, 10:07 PM
Roy obviously isn't me -- look at the writing styles (has he used a hyphen even once)?

Talk admins can identify Roy's ISP -- there's absolutely no excuse for them to think that.

Plus if Roy is me, that means I am carrying on conversations with myself.

Bill Robertson
#5939

NightFlyer
04-06-2014, 11:37 PM
Just checked everything out, and from what I can gather, here's objectively what happened, as the objective TRUTH is what should matter most, regardless of who the participants are and what your subjective opinions of them may be:

Roy bumped Tom's for-sale thread, which is a violation of Talk's posted rules. The moderators (including SoundKillr), didn't care, and took no action.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9234-For-Sale-1982-Delorean-26K&p=138854&viewfull=1#post138854

Talk member Kane, who's not a moderator, and is a somewhat known instigator of trouble over there, decided to try to play one and posted a reply to Roy, informing him that he was in violation of the rules and forcefully instructing him not to do it again (even though Kane has no official power on Talk):

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9234-For-Sale-1982-Delorean-26K&p=138868&viewfull=1#post138868

Again, Talk mods didn't care. Anyone who remembers my incident on Talk with Darren Decker, when he attempted to play moderator as Kane did, knows that I don't like this kind of behavior from fellow members, as it's completely unnecessary and a dickish thing to do. Decker/Kane, if they care about adherence to the rules as adamantly as they appeared to, should have informed the real mods and let them decide how to handle the situation, instead of trying to play self-appointed police men of the forum.

In an unrelated parts for sale thread, Roy posted a comment about being interested in procuring a power antenna that was listed as being for sale. In that comment, Roy also cited his previous run-in with Kane and attempted to apply the Kane treatment on the poster of the parts for sale thread, as the OP didn't post any asking prices on the thread (even though they were linked to) - making assumptions about the moderation (SoundKillr specifically) and accusations about the moderation's relationship with the OP of the for sale thread. IMHO, that was just plain stupid, as all Roy did was act just as wrongly as Kane/Decker did, and was intentionally trying to stir up trouble with the moderation. And it worked.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138935&viewfull=1#post138935

SoundKillr responded to this by telling Roy that he overlooked Roy's technical violation of the rules on Roy's bump of Tom's car for sale thread, but was upset about the confrontational/adversarial nature of Roy's post in the parts for sale thread.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138939&viewfull=1#post138939

Roy then attempted to dismiss the confrontational/adversarial nature of his post in the parts for sale thread by justifying that he finished such a statement with an "oops," as if that should have excused his conduct or signified that he was just joking about everything (very weird sense of humor) - COME ON, even the Professor had to realize the childish nature of such an argument...

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138944&viewfull=1#post138944

Roy then assumed that SoundKillr was upset at Roy because of the content of his bump in Tom's car for sale thread, but reading SoundKillr's subsequent responses shows that Roy's assumption was wrong and that SoundKillr was upset at Roy's juvenile and confrontational/adversarial post in the parts for sale thread, and not by the content of Roy's bump in Tom's car for sale thread.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138946&viewfull=1#post138946

Sorry, but Roy was in the wrong here, just as Kane was.

It's true that there are some asses over on Talk, and we all know who they are. Those who've insinuated/inferred that Roy is Bill are amongst those ranks.

There are also a lot of good decent members over there, which is why I like enjoying both forums :)

But Talk has been making an honest/active effort to loosen things up so that the forum is more personable, entertaining, and fair to everyone. First, Ron was replaced as the primary mod by Jeremiah (DeLorean03) - things got much looser overnight. Then, Accipiter lost his admin/mod status, which didn't change things all that much, as he wasn't very active to begin with. Is Accipiter a known instigator of trouble over there - absolutely. Was he appropriately punished when his instigating behavior was exposed - well, he did lose his admin/mod status. The question of whether or not that punishment was enough isn't up to any of us, it's up to the owners of the Talk forum. And honestly, who really cares? As far as I'm concerned, the guy is his own worst enemy - he doesn't need to be called out, as it's apparent to anyone with a brain. The fact that he has received comments from other members about how he comes off as being a jerk on the forums is proof enough of this fact.

I'm NOT justifying how Talk treated Bill, Earl Hickey, or Steve - that was a whole different set of players and an entirely different situation. One of those players, Mike (Talk's #2), just recently retired from the forum. And although I don't know everything about each of those situations, from what I do know, I don't believe that Bill, Steve, or Earl deserved to be banned from Talk as they were, just as I don't think that my moderated status or bannings were justified either (and Mike agreed with me about the over-moderation and inconsistent moderation of the past). But again - that's all in the past concerning an entirely different cast of characters who aren't around anymore, or are now just regular members, as opposed to positions of power.

I'm just trying to look at things objectively and be 100% fair to all the involved parties.

And I must give credit to where credit is due - Talk has gotten much better since I started participating on it. Case in point is that I haven't been lectured by a mod since DeLorean03 took over the primary moderation duties from Ron, whereas I was previously receiving almost daily lectures from Ron when he was in charge - even though I have no issues with Ron and sincerely do LOVE him :)

Perhaps if Roy dropped all of his preconceived notions and assumptions about Talk, which are premised upon generalizations resultant from the behavior of a few of the members there, and actually gave the new Talk a chance as opposed to posting over there with a chip on his shoulder / agenda, he'd see that things are different and better - especially once you leave the past in the past.

Yes, a few of the members over there are always going to be who they are. But instead of getting upset about that and trying to change them, if you just react to them in an adult fashion, then you'll actually be able to enjoy the forum and the good members. But, if you want to stay out of the sandbox just because of a few undesirables that you don't personally like - well, that's your prerogative as well, and no one will think any less of you for making such a decision.

I respect Bill's decision to stay away - but let's also not forget that Mike also invited him back during the first big shake up over there. The olive branch was extended and respectfully declined. Nothing wrong with that. And for anyone who wishes to engage Bill, he can of course be found here.

If we all just dropped the 'us vs them' crap, then I'm quite certain that most of us would get along quite well.

The choice, of course, is up to each of us to make for ourselves.

stevedmc
04-06-2014, 11:45 PM
Things must be pretty bad if moderators are resigning and being fired.

Incidentally, it was suggested that I could have my membership back at Talk as well. I politely declined.

My guess is they figured this forum wouldn't survive if they welcomed the banned people back to Talk.

No grudges though. It's just politics. Even Presidents Bush Senior and Clinton are friends in real life.

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-07-2014, 12:41 AM
I'm just going by the thread views. Numerically objective thread views show very selective, and very disproportionate, viewing. The entire forum is not being read, and those parts that are read are done so at a rate of more than 10:1.

Bill Robertson
#5939

Boo
04-07-2014, 08:49 AM
Just checked everything out, and from what I can gather, here's objectively what happened, as the objective TRUTH is what should matter most, regardless of who the participants are and what your subjective opinions of them may be:

Roy bumped Tom's for-sale thread, which is a violation of Talk's posted rules. The moderators (including SoundKillr), didn't care, and took no action.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9234-For-Sale-1982-Delorean-26K&p=138854&viewfull=1#post138854

Talk member Kane, who's not a moderator, and is a somewhat known instigator of trouble over there, decided to try to play one and posted a reply to Roy, informing him that he was in violation of the rules and forcefully instructing him not to do it again (even though Kane has no official power on Talk):

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9234-For-Sale-1982-Delorean-26K&p=138868&viewfull=1#post138868

Again, Talk mods didn't care. Anyone who remembers my incident on Talk with Darren Decker, when he attempted to play moderator as Kane did, knows that I don't like this kind of behavior from fellow members, as it's completely unnecessary and a dickish thing to do. Decker/Kane, if they care about adherence to the rules as adamantly as they appeared to, should have informed the real mods and let them decide how to handle the situation, instead of trying to play self-appointed police men of the forum.

In an unrelated parts for sale thread, Roy posted a comment about being interested in procuring a power antenna that was listed as being for sale. In that comment, Roy also cited his previous run-in with Kane and attempted to apply the Kane treatment on the poster of the parts for sale thread, as the OP didn't post any asking prices on the thread (even though they were linked to) - making assumptions about the moderation (SoundKillr specifically) and accusations about the moderation's relationship with the OP of the for sale thread. IMHO, that was just plain stupid, as all Roy did was act just as wrongly as Kane/Decker did, and was intentionally trying to stir up trouble with the moderation. And it worked.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138935&viewfull=1#post138935

SoundKillr responded to this by telling Roy that he overlooked Roy's technical violation of the rules on Roy's bump of Tom's car for sale thread, but was upset about the confrontational/adversarial nature of Roy's post in the parts for sale thread.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138939&viewfull=1#post138939

Roy then attempted to dismiss the confrontational/adversarial nature of his post in the parts for sale thread by justifying that he finished such a statement with an "oops," as if that should have excused his conduct or signified that he was just joking about everything (very weird sense of humor) - COME ON, even the Professor had to realize the childish nature of such an argument...

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138944&viewfull=1#post138944

Roy then assumed that SoundKillr was upset at Roy because of the content of his bump in Tom's car for sale thread, but reading SoundKillr's subsequent responses shows that Roy's assumption was wrong and that SoundKillr was upset at Roy's juvenile and confrontational/adversarial post in the parts for sale thread, and not by the content of Roy's bump in Tom's car for sale thread.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9292-Tools-and-Parts-For-Sale&p=138946&viewfull=1#post138946

Sorry, but Roy was in the wrong here, just as Kane was.

It's true that there are some asses over on Talk, and we all know who they are. Those who've insinuated/inferred that Roy is Bill are amongst those ranks.

There are also a lot of good decent members over there, which is why I like enjoying both forums :)

But Talk has been making an honest/active effort to loosen things up so that the forum is more personable, entertaining, and fair to everyone. First, Ron was replaced as the primary mod by Jeremiah (DeLorean03) - things got much looser overnight. Then, Accipiter lost his admin/mod status, which didn't change things all that much, as he wasn't very active to begin with. Is Accipiter a known instigator of trouble over there - absolutely. Was he appropriately punished when his instigating behavior was exposed - well, he did lose his admin/mod status. The question of whether or not that punishment was enough isn't up to any of us, it's up to the owners of the Talk forum. And honestly, who really cares? As far as I'm concerned, the guy is his own worst enemy - he doesn't need to be called out, as it's apparent to anyone with a brain. The fact that he has received comments from other members about how he comes off as being a jerk on the forums is proof enough of this fact.

I'm NOT justifying how Talk treated Bill, Earl Hickey, or Steve - that was a whole different set of players and an entirely different situation. One of those players, Mike (Talk's #2), just recently retired from the forum. And although I don't know everything about each of those situations, from what I do know, I don't believe that Bill, Steve, or Earl deserved to be banned from Talk as they were, just as I don't think that my moderated status or bannings were justified either (and Mike agreed with me about the over-moderation and inconsistent moderation of the past). But again - that's all in the past concerning an entirely different cast of characters who aren't around anymore, or are now just regular members, as opposed to positions of power.

I'm just trying to look at things objectively and be 100% fair to all the involved parties.

And I must give credit to where credit is due - Talk has gotten much better since I started participating on it. Case in point is that I haven't been lectured by a mod since DeLorean03 took over the primary moderation duties from Ron, whereas I was previously receiving almost daily lectures from Ron when he was in charge - even though I have no issues with Ron and sincerely do LOVE him :)

Perhaps if Roy dropped all of his preconceived notions and assumptions about Talk, which are premised upon generalizations resultant from the behavior of a few of the members there, and actually gave the new Talk a chance as opposed to posting over there with a chip on his shoulder / agenda, he'd see that things are different and better - especially once you leave the past in the past.

Yes, a few of the members over there are always going to be who they are. But instead of getting upset about that and trying to change them, if you just react to them in an adult fashion, then you'll actually be able to enjoy the forum and the good members. But, if you want to stay out of the sandbox just because of a few undesirables that you don't personally like - well, that's your prerogative as well, and no one will think any less of you for making such a decision.

I respect Bill's decision to stay away - but let's also not forget that Mike also invited him back during the first big shake up over there. The olive branch was extended and respectfully declined. Nothing wrong with that. And for anyone who wishes to engage Bill, he can of course be found here.

If we all just dropped the 'us vs them' crap, then I'm quite certain that most of us would get along quite well.

The choice, of course, is up to each of us to make for ourselves.

Point we taken Josh.

NightFlyer SUCKS. ;)

NightFlyer
04-07-2014, 02:16 PM
Point we taken Josh.

NightFlyer SUCKS. ;)

Awe, come on Roy - you know I love ya! :)

Bottom line is that we have to be fair and honest, otherwise we're no better than those that don't like us - right?

SoundKillr was never upset at you for what you posted on Tom's car for sale thread, but rather the comment that you made on the parts for sale thread wherein you antagonized the original poster of the thread for not listing a price as per forum rules, even though the price was linked to, and provoked the moderation by making assumptions and assertions about a relationship with the original poster. You clearly misinterpreted SoundKillr's comment about refraining from negative commentary in applying it to your comment on Tom's car for sale thread, when it was clearly meant to apply to the referenced comment in the parts for sale thread. Lou relied upon your misinterpretation and started posting over here how you were "being harped on by SoundKillr there, because of posting something nice about Tom Neiland no less," when that's not what happened at all. Of course, when falsehoods are promoted on this forum, it makes all of us look bad and no better than those whom we have legitimate grievances against - right?

While I'm all for calling out legitimate grievances or injustices, this episode was neither. Kane is not a mod, and his lecturing you about the rules was a dickish thing to do - I personally HATE that. But then you turned right around and did that very same dickish thing to Sean Manning, even though his prices were linked to, while begging for trouble with the mods, which you received and then acted surprised when they came down on you. That's not cool, as I'm sure you realize.

Kane was wrong, as you were wrong. I know that Kane didn't get a lecture from the mods as you did, but unlike what you did, Kane also didn't call the attention of the mods to his comment by goading them into a response.

Just be cool and have fun - that's what the forums are all about :)

tom kish vin.4357
04-07-2014, 03:02 PM
if Roy is me, that means I am carrying on conversations with myself.

Bill Robertson
#5939
Bill, If "carrying on conversations with myself" is the worst you ever done you would still be on TALK!

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-07-2014, 03:13 PM
With all due respect, I was invited back. I politely declined. That bridge has burned.

Bill Robertson
#5939

tom kish vin.4357
04-07-2014, 04:06 PM
With all due respect, I was invited back. I politely declined. That bridge has burned.

Bill Robertson
#5939
Bill you were INVITED BACK, they were willing to forgive you you trespass and forgive your sins, (just not your BILL CARB)

Boo
04-07-2014, 04:43 PM
when falsehoods are promoted on this forum, it makes all of us look bad

Josh, I still cannot believe you think anyone from Talk will ever think of us as anything but bad. Seems naive to me. Just for the record, my original postings there were to publicize the injustice and mistreatment of many Talk members, not just us. However we are the overwhelming majority of why I took this all on.
As for me pointing out about not having a price in Sean meanings thread, I clearly said that I didn't see mods coming down on him about it, I wasn't trying to tell him he was breaking the rules, as Kane has done. I also apologized respectfully and publicly.

But what does it matter anyway, you have proved to bite the hand that advocates for you in my mind and I have sadly learned one thing about a specific member of DMC Today.
NightFlyer SUCKS
Whereas many some members here privately congratulated me and showed appreciation, you on the other hand, publicly went against me "to be fair". And you say I know you love me?lease. What is fair about anything that goes on over there? But these are rhetorical questions and need not be answered.
Have a nice day Josh, I will do my best to ignore your comments.

NightFlyer
04-07-2014, 05:56 PM
Josh, I still cannot believe you think anyone from Talk will ever think of us as anything but bad. Seems naive to me.

OK Roy, you've made it clear that you hate Talk and have no use for anyone over there - so then, one must wonder why you're over there at all then, if not for the sole purpose of stirring up trouble and fanning the flames of in-fighting between the forums, much like Thirdmanj does on a regular basis. Kind of invalidates your whole plea of "lets 'Give peace a chance' please" as insincere / not-genuine, doesn't it? Doesn't this also prove Soundkillr correct about your attitude over there?


Just for the record, my original postings there were to publicize the injustice and mistreatment of many Talk members, not just us. However we are the overwhelming majority of why I took this all on.

Did anyone ask you to take on anything? We're all big boys over here and have done just fine without your advocacy of us. What made you decide that we were so helpless and infirm that we needed a guardian angel to watch over and protect us from these perceived evils?


As for me pointing out about not having a price in Sean meanings thread, I clearly said that I didn't see mods coming down on him about it, I wasn't trying to tell him he was breaking the rules, as Kane has done.


How much are you asking for the antenna. I was just "told" about posting something on a for sale thread without intent to buy it. But I also think the rules state any for sale threads must have asking prices. I guess SoundKillr isn't on your case about that. Seems a bit unfair. Must be nice being part of the untouchable elite. But I wont start that up again. Oops!

Sure looks to me like you did both - and none of it was necessary. If you had a problem, why didn't you just take it to the mods and let them handle it?


I also apologized respectfully and publicly.


No need to get all uppity, I said oops.

Ummm... that's hardly what I'd call sincere or respectful...


But what does it matter anyway, you have proved to bite the hand that advocates for you in my mind and I have sadly learned one thing about a specific member of DMC Today.
NightFlyer SUCKS

I'm only trying to help you Roy, but apparently you're so immersed in your assumptions and adopted agenda to see clearly. Again, no one asked you to advocate for anyone other than yourself. We're perfectly capable of handling things for ourselves. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility and self sufficiency - liberals assume that others can't do for themselves and declare themselves to be advocates on behave of others because they think that they know better/best for such people. It's arrogant and it's BS.

But if you want to think that I suck, then so be it - I'm clearly not going to change your mind :)


Whereas many some members here privately congratulated me and showed appreciation, you on the other hand, publicly went against me "to be fair". And you say I know you love me?lease. What is fair about anything that goes on over there? But these are rhetorical questions and need not be answered.

I have no problems in addressing your questions, so I will.

Pat yourself on the back some more Roy, as you missed some spots :) I'm not for or against you Roy - as this isn't a war (except in your mind). I'm for the objective truth above all else. I think you're sincerely a good guy and I'd love to see you contributing positively on both forums.

If nothing fair goes on over there, then again why are you over there - do you want to forcibly try to get people to change who don't want to change? That's a very liberal attitude, isn't it?

Think of it like this Roy - if you're invited in to someone's house, do you expect them to conform to your rules and desires as a guest (liberals want everyone to conform to their idea of what's right), or do you conform your behavior to the owner's rules and desires (conservatives respect the autonomy/rules/desires of others)?

And plenty fair goes on over there, otherwise many from here wouldn't also be over there - myself, Dave M, Tom Kish, etc. Do you want all of us that frequent both forums to discontinue using Talk just because you perceive it to be completely unfair all the time? That's a very authoritarian/leftist attitude to take, isn't it?

Again Roy, I'm only trying to help you out - I'm not against you, I don't hate you, and I actually really do like you, whether you believe it or not. I just don't like what you're doing or how you're doing it, because it reflects negatively on the users of this forum.

But it's your account over on Talk - do with it as you please. :)

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-07-2014, 06:00 PM
Cut Roy some slack, he's having a bad day -- coconut milk is a natural laxative (Gilligan never told him).

Bill Robertson
#5939

NightFlyer
04-07-2014, 06:11 PM
Cut Roy some slack, he's having a bad day -- coconut milk is a natural laxative (Gilligan never told him).

Bill Robertson
#5939

Darn that Gilligan :)

Given Roy's attitude/agenda, I'm surprised that he didn't choose the screen name Paul Kersey instead :)

http://i.imgur.com/tgRHYzv.png

Dead Lesbian Goat
04-07-2014, 07:16 PM
Personally I'm surprised the mods over there haven't done their job. The ONE time they do need to remove posts and they just let it ride. That thread is the very reason the rules are in place. It's just a bit ironic that the thread turned into a debate on why you shouldn't be posting in that thread. Poor guy was just trying to sell his car and the entire thread turned into a debate and NOBODY should have posted what they did in it except the ones that were prospective buyers.

A real mod would have removed Roy's and Kane's remarks and any others that were there a long time ago and maybe sent a pm reminding them of the rules. A decent mod will go there right now and clean it up after he has finished lurking...er reading this post.

PS..I'm beginning to think Roy is not a troll after all. He's just nuts.

tom kish vin.4357
04-07-2014, 07:45 PM
PS..I'm beginning to think Roy is not a troll after all. He's just nuts.

Michael, you say this like it's a bad thing, we got one guy here in a bathtub full of food, we got one guy with a carb, we got one guy taking to the road on 30 year old rubber, but worst of all your telling me now i'm not the only one here on both sites!!

Greasy DeLorean Mechanic
04-07-2014, 08:17 PM
we got one guy with a carb

He definitely is nuts.

Bill Robertson
#5939

tom kish vin.4357
04-07-2014, 08:23 PM
He definitely is nuts.

Bill Robertson
#5939
I've heard he is the mother of all carbs!

NightFlyer
04-07-2014, 08:42 PM
Personally I'm surprised the mods over there haven't done their job. The ONE time they do need to remove posts and they just let it ride. That thread is the very reason the rules are in place. It's just a bit ironic that the thread turned into a debate on why you shouldn't be posting in that thread. Poor guy was just trying to sell his car and the entire thread turned into a debate and NOBODY should have posted what they did in it except the ones that were prospective buyers.

A real mod would have removed Roy's and Kane's remarks and any others that were there a long time ago and maybe sent a pm reminding them of the rules. A decent mod will go there right now and clean it up after he has finished lurking...er reading this post.

PS..I'm beginning to think Roy is not a troll after all. He's just nuts.

I shouldn't have posted on the parts for sale thread, and I'll be the first to admit it - but Soundkillr failed to correct Roy's mistaken assumption about that which was negative, leading Lou to believe something that wasn't true - thus a clarification was warranted IMHO. But I'm not a mod there - if they want to delete my comment and reprimand me, so be it, as long as everyone involved is treated fairly and equally.

I wasn't trying to play mod, only help out after-the-fact.

IMHO, all scoldings/lectures/reminders/disciplinary acts need to happen publicly, otherwise it creates the situation whereby favoritism can be played and concealed, which leads to speculation/assertions/conspiracies that only act to fan the flames further as opposed to putting out the fire. But that's just my opinion.

NightFlyer
04-07-2014, 08:49 PM
He definitely is nuts.

Bill Robertson
#5939

More like loco mad!

I heard that he only carb'd because he wasn't smart enough to figure out k-jet ;)

Boo
04-07-2014, 08:51 PM
Michael, you say this like it's a bad thing, we got one guy here in a bathtub full of food, we got one guy with a carb, we got one guy taking to the road on 30 year old rubber, but worst of all your telling me now i'm not the only one here on both sites!!

There are actually a lot of people here with carbs, hence my theme for DMC Today, " The land of misfit carberators "

I truly think Roy is nutty, not nuts. I feel he was doing the right thing and yes, he did take it upon himself but I feel Josh was/is being way to hard on him IMHO. Especially with the "Liberal" jabs.
Roy was kind of like our savior over on Talk, and I agree that Josh is crazy to think he needs to make Talkers see us in a better light. Let them see us however they want, fuck them ! And that will never happen anyway and who cares if they do or not? You simply cannot expect respect from the disrespectful. That's just the way I see it. I don't think he was fueling flames, I think he was trying to make everyone see the hypocrisy there.

But let Josh and Roy fight it out. They are both losing my respect by fighting with each other on this forum. And I used to like Josh a lot. But leave the fighting to Talk where it seems to be commonplace anyway.

My money's on Maryanne BTW, if she'll take it.

Boo
04-07-2014, 08:52 PM
More like loco mad!

I heard that he only carb'd because he wasn't smart enough to figure out k-jet ;)

I know that was a joke at Bill, but Bill knows K-Jet more than anyone, even the workshop manual quoting self proclaimed Delroean Guru.

Boo
04-07-2014, 08:56 PM
Just to add, I think Josh was putting us in a bad light more than anything by using this thread to go against Roy, who was sticking up for us. We all know this is the most read thread by Talkers. I personally don't care what they think as I'll never be on that site again, but Josh seems to want to freindly-up to them and ruined what he was trying to achieve (seeing us in a better light) by downplaying Roy on this thread.
Just my 2 pennies. I don't mean to piss off anyone, but I believe what I believe.
And I'm not just saying all this because Josh said Blind Melon and Bush suck. I have been listening to the Monkees too Josh.

And I'm not taking sides just because I personally know Roy, I would tell him to fuck off if I saw fit to say that to him. And he would still be respectful to me and hang out with me.

Boo
04-07-2014, 08:59 PM
Josh needs to listen to "Twelve Stories High" by Extra Virgin. I truly don't care if he likes it or not, it will be therapy for him, and it seems like he needs it badly.

Boo
04-07-2014, 09:03 PM
Josh, let's end this between you and I, lets agree to disagree. I clearly didn't go to the mods because I don't respect them. That was my whole point.

I apologize for saying you suck. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. But I do see Lou's point regarding going against me on this forum, on this thread. I too feel that added fuel to the fire between forums and gave the Talk people more to laugh at us about. But Lou is right, I too do not care what they think or how they feel about me, or is in general. They don't have my respect. People of here do, yes Josh, even you, even after all this.

Boo
04-07-2014, 09:18 PM
Josh, let's end this between you and I, lets agree to disagree. I clearly didn't go to the mods because I don't respect them. That was my whole point.

I apologize for saying you suck. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. But I do see Lou's point regarding going against me on this forum, on this thread. I too feel that added fuel to the fire between forums and gave the Talk people more to laugh at us about. But Lou is right, I too do not care what they think or how they feel about me, or is in general. They don't have my respect. People of here do, yes Josh, even you, even after all this.

Paging Josh, Paging Roy
Please make up guys, this is very disheartening. Can't we all just get along? At least here?

Dracula
04-07-2014, 10:48 PM
Personally I'm surprised the mods over there haven't done their job. The ONE time they do need to remove posts and they just let it ride. That thread is the very reason the rules are in place. It's just a bit ironic that the thread turned into a debate on why you shouldn't be posting in that thread. Poor guy was just trying to sell his car and the entire thread turned into a debate and NOBODY should have posted what they did in it except the ones that were prospective buyers.

A real mod would have removed Roy's and Kane's remarks and any others that were there a long time ago and maybe sent a pm reminding them of the rules. A decent mod will go there right now and clean it up after he has finished lurking...er reading this post.

PS..I'm beginning to think Roy is not a troll after all. He's just nuts.

That's the exact same thing that happened in the thread I had where I was trying to sell my car...

NightFlyer
04-08-2014, 12:32 AM
I know that was a joke at Bill, but Bill knows K-Jet more than anyone, even the workshop manual quoting self proclaimed Delroean Guru.

It's not a joke at Bill - it's a joke with Bill (one that he commonly makes himself).

Bill knows I love him :)

Lighten up a little, take off the edge, and have fun with us :)

NightFlyer
04-08-2014, 12:49 AM
Just to add, I think Josh was putting us in a bad light more than anything by using this thread to go against Roy, who was sticking up for us. We all know this is the most read thread by Talkers. I personally don't care what they think as I'll never be on that site again, but Josh seems to want to freindly-up to them and ruined what he was trying to achieve (seeing us in a better light) by downplaying Roy on this thread.
Just my 2 pennies. I don't mean to piss off anyone, but I believe what I believe.
And I'm not just saying all this because Josh said Blind Melon and Bush suck. I have been listening to the Monkees too Josh.

And I'm not taking sides just because I personally know Roy, I would tell him to fuck off if I saw fit to say that to him. And he would still be respectful to me and hang out with me.

Not understanding your logic here at all Lou, but we're adults and can agree to disagree :)

It sounds like you know Roy personally - thus you probably have an insight of him that the rest of us do not. We only know Roy from his participation both here and there, and the reactions that he has elicited/caused (on both forums). Other than that, we don't know Roy at all - does he own a DeLorean? Does he even like DeLoreans? Or was he just here/there to cause dissention between the forums? I honestly don't know, as he kind of appeared out of nowhere and only seemed to be only interested in getting involved in the BS, as opposed to actual DeLorean related discussion - kinda weird, wouldn't you say?

As Roy is your friend, I hope you know that I NEVER meant any disrespect to Roy - I'm only being truthful, honest, fair, and unbiased to all the involved parties. This forum wasn't founded to harbor anti-Talk sentiments (although its necessity may have derived from such), but rather to promote pro-freedom principles in building a community of DeLorean owners/enthusiasts.

Anywho, I still say that Blind Melon and Bush suck :) Sorry, just not my kind of music.

Is there a place you can direct me to where I can check out the Twelve Stories High album, as all I could find online was i-tunes, but I don't have/use i-tunes?

NightFlyer
04-08-2014, 01:10 AM
Josh, let's end this between you and I, lets agree to disagree. I clearly didn't go to the mods because I don't respect them. That was my whole point.

I apologize for saying you suck. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. But I do see Lou's point regarding going against me on this forum, on this thread. I too feel that added fuel to the fire between forums and gave the Talk people more to laugh at us about. But Lou is right, I too do not care what they think or how they feel about me, or is in general. They don't have my respect. People of here do, yes Josh, even you, even after all this.

Roy, apology accepted, but not necessary - I never took your declaration seriously or personally. Try to learn from that.

You have only recently ventured into the online forums, and yet, you've wrapped yourself up in the BS way too tight and are taking the forums way too seriously. You have no vested interest in the dissension that you're injecting yourself into, making your motivations and intentions a mystery and highly suspect.

No one is laughing at you/us Roy. Despite previously saying that you could care less what they think, you're now worried about Talk members laughing at us? You're completely contradicting yourself Roy - if anything, that's what people are going to be laughing about, if anything at all. Personally, I think that most if not all Talk members could honestly care less.

You're completely paranoid about Talk members, and yet your reasons for harboring such a paranoia eludes us. It make no sense - unless you're not whom you claim to be.

Bottom line is that if you hate Talk and Talk members so much - why go over there at all? It makes no sense. And why give them merit by continuing to mention/discuss/worry about them at all on this forum? Again, it makes no sense.

I do have respect for you and would like to see you around this forum more, where we actually get to know you - because the only thing that anyone really knows about you is that you hate Talk and Talk members with every fiber of your being. We don't even know if you actually like DeLoreans or not. If hate is the only thing that you want to be known for on the forums - then congrats, you've accomplished your objective. But I for one think that there's more to Roy Hinkley than a completely unexplainable hatred, isn't there?

So, let's try this again, shall we?

Welcome to DMCToday Roy - it's good to have you on-board. Would you like to introduce yourself and tell us all why you're here (in the intro thread would be preferable) :)

tom kish vin.4357
04-08-2014, 08:53 AM
(No one is laughing at you/us Roy.) Point of order Josh your wrong saying that, I am laughing and don't believe ANY of you even have a DELOREAN !! any photos any of you yahoos put up are photo shop !!

Boo
04-08-2014, 09:36 AM
Josh, on second thought, if you don't like Blind Melon and Bush, you may not want to waste your money or time on Extra Virgin as they have a similar sound. Just keep Monkeeing around! I love the Monkees non-commercial stuff! As for Roy, I'll let him speak for himself, but last I heard he is done with all this. He does like Deloreans and he told me he was looking at that antenna as a gift to me for Boo. I told him thank you but I think it was a lot of money and there are other power antenna options out there. Besides I don't listen to the radio anyway so Boo never has her antenna screwed in. I'm always using the aux headphone jack and my iPhone for music.

Keep calm and Delore-on !

NightFlyer
04-08-2014, 03:36 PM
(No one is laughing at you/us Roy.) Point of order Josh your wrong saying that, I am laughing and don't believe ANY of you even have a DELOREAN !! any photos any of you yahoos put up are photo shop !!

Laugh it up Tom - just remember that you're towing my non-existent DeLorean the rest of the way to DCS with your DeLorean after I break down en route :cool:

NightFlyer
04-08-2014, 03:42 PM
Keep calm and Delore-on !

Hear, hear! :cool:

tom kish vin.4357
04-08-2014, 07:32 PM
Laugh it up Tom - just remember that you're towing my non-existent DeLorean the rest of the way to DCS with your DeLorean after I break down en route :cool:

That's not funny:mad: